>> joe biden is going to make sure they do. he will give you enough shots so you that will be able to quote him the rest of the month. >> and that is not going to be anywhere close to the biden- pailen where everybody was marching. >> no, no. >> which is the highest rated debate four years ago and people wanted to see that because sarah palin was the trust this, paul ryan is not a draw in this way, unless he takes off his shirt, perhaps. >> i think paul ryan is going to be a drag. he doesn't on he doesn't express himself in the way it relates to anyone in who is in the room. >> this past week -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> this past week, we saw moderate mit appear at the debate. he went from being the conservative to we can get long to we can work together, the healthcare time, the time as governor in massachusetts and ryan is still a conservative. won't the democrats try to draw him out saying this is what romney-ryan tech set about? >> absolutely. joe biden foras asplasid as obama was the other night, biden will be as tough.